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bastlynn:
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fattyatomicmutant:
klinkitty:
fattyatomicmutant:
sandandglass:
Morning Joe covers the statements of White House advisor, Stephen Miller.
Here you go.
The nazis you elected is outright stating their power is absolute.
Not quite. They’re stating they want their power to be absolute, and throwing a hissy fit that it isn’t.
Let’s keep up the pressure, so it doesn’t BECOME absolute.
Amen
RESIST http://ift.tt/2h2qG2I
Miller’s history in debate / student activities at Duke University indicate he’s the exact sort off asshole you punch when they try to get a public stage for the exact same set of reasons you punch Nazis**:
* He’s a racist, sexist, hateful bigot. You name it he probably hates it. He probably hates your dog. He definitely hates your cat.
* He’s NOT coming to the debate in good faith. He’s there to push the bounds of reality to fit the world that would enable his hate.
He doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying and he’s not experiencing cognitive dissonance. He knows what he’s saying is out of bounds… but it’s what he want’s to establish as in-bounds so he acts as if it’s true in an attempt to establish for others that ‘clearly it must be true!’ Or at least should be considered because ‘why else would he believe it so strongly?!’ It’s the same techniques he used in high school and at Duke. And it works if given enough time and repetition and polite consideration by others in public.
He is simply not at this debate for the same reasons others are. He’s not there to answer questions or make convincing arguments or listen to your convincing arguments. He’s not trying to win others over to his side - he’s trying to change the standards his arguments will be judged by in the future. Pointing out reality or logic will bounce off him because he knows reality and that’s not the point of why he’s there.
Normally, if this were a rational discussion it would be so laughably out of bounds it wouldn’t be under consideration at all. By letting him speak you let him establish his position as one that can be rationally debated in public - which is what he wanted in the first place.
** FWIW: these two requirements are what I use as my personal metric for “reasons to punch” or at least to shout down Nazis if they occur in public discourse. One without the other is distasteful but at least not actively dangerous. Combined? That’s fucking dangerous. It’s why CNN standing up to Conway and refusing to have her on shows after her repeated attempts to do this as well - is a good thing. It’s absolutely NOT the government’s job to do this: governments are historically bad at judging either of these two standards. We must consider what would happen with any laws we pass if they were in the hands of our worst enemies. It’s why the ACLU defends bad guys too even if they don’t like them. Enforcing standards of debate is the responsibility of the community or the individual. So we must be ready to hold to established standards of discourse and show those people the door.
tl;dr; Miller is a vampire the same way Nazi’s are. Everything that comes out of his mouth should be considered a deliberate manipulation attempt.
bastlynn:
rolling-for-charisma:
fattyatomicmutant:
klinkitty:
fattyatomicmutant:
sandandglass:
Morning Joe covers the statements of White House advisor, Stephen Miller.
Here you go.
The nazis you elected is outright stating their power is absolute.
Not quite. They’re stating they want their power to be absolute, and throwing a hissy fit that it isn’t.
Let’s keep up the pressure, so it doesn’t BECOME absolute.
Amen
RESIST http://ift.tt/2h2qG2I
Miller’s history in debate / student activities at Duke University indicate he’s the exact sort off asshole you punch when they try to get a public stage for the exact same set of reasons you punch Nazis**:
* He’s a racist, sexist, hateful bigot. You name it he probably hates it. He probably hates your dog. He definitely hates your cat.
* He’s NOT coming to the debate in good faith. He’s there to push the bounds of reality to fit the world that would enable his hate.
He doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying and he’s not experiencing cognitive dissonance. He knows what he’s saying is out of bounds… but it’s what he want’s to establish as in-bounds so he acts as if it’s true in an attempt to establish for others that ‘clearly it must be true!’ Or at least should be considered because ‘why else would he believe it so strongly?!’ It’s the same techniques he used in high school and at Duke. And it works if given enough time and repetition and polite consideration by others in public.
He is simply not at this debate for the same reasons others are. He’s not there to answer questions or make convincing arguments or listen to your convincing arguments. He’s not trying to win others over to his side - he’s trying to change the standards his arguments will be judged by in the future. Pointing out reality or logic will bounce off him because he knows reality and that’s not the point of why he’s there.
Normally, if this were a rational discussion it would be so laughably out of bounds it wouldn’t be under consideration at all. By letting him speak you let him establish his position as one that can be rationally debated in public - which is what he wanted in the first place.
** FWIW: these two requirements are what I use as my personal metric for “reasons to punch” or at least to shout down Nazis if they occur in public discourse. One without the other is distasteful but at least not actively dangerous. Combined? That’s fucking dangerous. It’s why CNN standing up to Conway and refusing to have her on shows after her repeated attempts to do this as well - is a good thing. It’s absolutely NOT the government’s job to do this: governments are historically bad at judging either of these two standards. We must consider what would happen with any laws we pass if they were in the hands of our worst enemies. It’s why the ACLU defends bad guys too even if they don’t like them. Enforcing standards of debate is the responsibility of the community or the individual. So we must be ready to hold to established standards of discourse and show those people the door.
tl;dr; Miller is a vampire the same way Nazi’s are. Everything that comes out of his mouth should be considered a deliberate manipulation attempt.
